Refutation of the doctrines of the Pentecostal Movement

The Berlin Declaration (1909)

(Translated by Arturo Kägi) da Klaus Doering

The undersigned brothers raise their voices to warn against the so-called “Pentecostal Movement”.

After having with great care, and before the Lord examined a vast and authentic documentation we arrived at the following conclusion:

  1. The Pentecostal movement is correlated with the Los Angeles movement (America) – Christiana – (Norway) – Hamburg – Kassel – Grossalmerode (Germany). Any attempt would deny that this correlation is shipwrecked by the facts that lie ahead
  2. The so-called Pentecostal Movement is not from the top, but from below (that is: by the devil; many phenomena in it correspond to those of spiritism. In it they operate demons that are driven by the devil with cunning and that mix lies with the truth to mislead God's children. In many cases the so-called “with the Spirit” later they showed possessed.
  3. Neither the fact that some executives brothers show much loyalty and personal devotion, nor healings, languages, prophecies etc., from which the movement is accompanied, changes our conviction. Already many times these signs have occurred in similar movements, for example in the movement of Irving, in the so-called “Christian science (Christian Science)” e nello spiritism.
  4. The spirit of this movement operates on the soul power (human) and body; nevertheless is a false spirit. It is revealed as such. The oddities such as the down on the ground, the contortion of the face, the thrills, the screams, strong laughter and repulsive are also manifested this time in meetings.
    We do not want to judge how much of this is demonic, As hysterical or psychic, but such events are not of God.
  5. The spirit of the movement is introduced by means of God's Word, but it suppresses it with the so-called “prophecies”. cf.. 2 Cron. 18,18-22. In a general way these prophecies are a great danger: They manifest the obvious contradictions, but even more: The prophecies here and there reduce the brothers and their work to an addiction enslaved by “messages”. The way of transmitting such messages resembles that spirit mediums. The messengers are mostly women. Consequently in many places women, even girls, are labor leaders. This is contrary to the rules of Holy Scripture.

It is impossible to recognize that such a movement is from God.

Of course it is possible that in the meetings the Word of God to bear fruit because of the power that dwells in it. inexperienced brothers are deceived by these blessings of God's Word. But they do not change the character of the movement, cf.. 2 Cor. 11, 3-4. 14.

The community of believers in Germany must humble himself deeply for allowing this movement could fill us. We all (signed) we recognize ourselves to blame for our failings and neglect, especially regarding the intercession. The lack of biblical knowledge, of seriousness and vigilance, a superficial concept of sin, of grace, the conversion and the new birth, an arbitrary exegesis of the Bible, the desire to learn new and exciting phenomena, the inclination to exaggeration, but first of all the pride, everything has smoothed the way for this movement.

In a particular way the false doctrine of the so-called “pure heart” It was fatal to many groups (of believers) and it facilitated the Pentecostal Movement. This error, according to which a believer pardoned and sanctified there is no longer the nature of sin. We believe that the Lord can and will preserve your every stumbling and falling, (1 Tess. 5, 23; Judah 24-25; Apr.. 13, 21) and that they have the power to dominate the sin through the Holy Spirit. Although there is the continued preservation we not ever receive a heart so pure that we no longer have to confess with Paul: “I do nothing by myself; But by no means I am justified.” Even the believer progressed must humble themselves before God, which it is the sole judge of the true state of hearts, cf.. 1 Cor. 4,4. “If we say we have no sin, We deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 Thurs.. 1,8).

In truth, the believer in Christ receives a heart blameless, but the false doctrine that the heart itself can achieve a state of perfection, that sin no longer dwell in it, He has led many children of God to no longer recognize their own faults and he also deceived them regarding the sins of their mind, causing them to disregard and not to put God's commandments into practice.

often necessary to call the faithful to keep their eyes open about sin, that are not darkened for a man operated sanctification itself or for the imaginary doctrine, that the sinful nature is taken away from us. Those who do not humble themselves because of their sins, It closes the way for new blessings and will be under the influence of the enemy. Bad experiences of our time show that the believer, I think you have reached the state of perfection, can be in such a state can no longer admit a mistake, much less confess. Another sad consequence of false teaching about the sanctification is the degradation of biblical marriage, God wills, Therefore teaching that the conjugal act between husband and wife is contrary to the true sanctification. Gen. 28 / Ephesus. 5,31.

In Germany, the well-known leader of the Pentecostal Movement is pastore Paul. He is also the first promoter of these unbiblical doctrines that we rejected. We love him as a brother and we want to actually serve him and the ranks of his followers. We were sorry to cope publicly against him. There were some exchanges of views and exhortations in the presence of a few and the many brothers. Since everything was in vain result we must declare for his sake and for the work's sake: We, the undersigned brothers, we can not longer recognize as a guide and shepherd communities.

With love, faith and hope would recommend it to corrective grace of the Lord.

We believe that there was only one Pentecost: proceedings 2. We believe the Holy Spirit who dwells forever in the Church of Jesus, cf.. Thurs.: 14,16. We realize that the Church of God has always been visited by the Holy Spirit and that it needs this. Each individual believer is warned by the apostle: “Be filled with the Spirit!” (Ephesus. 5, 18). The way to achieve this is the full communion with the Signore crocifisso, resurrected and glorified. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead, from which we receive grace upon grace. We do not expect a new Pentecost, but the Lord's return.

 

Let us pray for all our brothers love the Lord and His work that the devil wants to destroy: Do not have nothing to do with this movement! Which of you has fallen under the power of that spirit withdraw and pray God to forgive him and free him. Do not be discouraged in the struggles that many of you will have to incur. Satan will not leave his booty. But be assured: The Lord will support you. He already released a lot and want to give you the real armor of the Spirit.

In our difficult time, we have confidence: The people of God will come blessed by these fights. This can also tell you, Dear brothers, you are shocked by the facts in front of which our words will pose. The Lord will light the simple and humble, strengthen them and preserve them.

We trust in Jesus, the true shepherd. If everyone will give the place it is for the Lord and His Word, He will bring to an end the glorious work of grace in His Spirit which he began in Germany. We place our trust in Him who says: “My children and the work of my hands to let ME” (Is. 45,11, literal translation).

Berlin, there 15 September 1909.

(Here are the names of 56 signatories):

Bahren, Hannover; Bartsch, Charlottenburg; Blecher, Friedrichshagen; Brod,Gelsenkirchen; A. Dallmeyer, Leipzig; Dolman, Wandsbeck; Engel, Neurode; Evers, Rixdorf; Frank, Hamburg; great, Oberfischbach; Hermann, Berlin; heydorn, Frankfurt a. O.; chicken, Freienwaldea. O.; Ihloff, Neumünster; Jörn, Berlin; Rudenko, prices Bahnau; truncheon, Duisburg-Beeck; Köhler, Berlin; Graf von Korff, Hannover; bold, Large-Lichterfeld; Lammert, Berlin; dragon, Breslau; K. Mascher, Steglitz; Fr. Mascher, Lehe in Hannover; Meister, Waldemburg i. Schl.; Merten, Elberfeld; Michaelis, Bielefeld; Frhr. of Patow, Zinnitz; Rohrbach, Charlottenburg; of Rothkirch, Berlin; Rudersdorf, Düsseldorf; Ruprecht, Herischdorf; Sartorius, Sterbfritz; Schar Wächter, Leipzig; slate, Neukirchen; Schopf, Witten a.d. Ruhr; Schrenk, Barmen; Schütz, Berlin; Schütz, Ravich; Seitz, Teichwolframsdorf; Simoleit, Berlin; Stockmayer, Hauptweil; Frhr. Thiele Winckler, Rothenmoor; Thiemann, Marklissa; von Tresckow, Camenz i. Schl.; Frhr. of Thümmler, selka; M. Urban, Kattowitz; Urbschat, Whole; Vasel, Königsberg; of Viebahn, Stettin; Guardian, Frankfurt a. M.; Wallraff, Berlin; Warns, Berlin; Wittekindt, Werningerode a. Harz; waste, Görlitz; von Zastrow, Gross-Breesen.

Objections and Answers

We expect that some brothers will find it difficult to believe that the Berlin Declaration teaches us. So we answer some objections. But first of all we beg the reader to believe that we do not want to judge the Pentecostals, but we feel obliged to unmask the spirit that dominates their movement. Among Pentecostals there are sincere and devoted children of God. But it would be wrong to judge the spirit of a religious movement by the presence of good and sincere brothers who are part.

First objection:

“You speak ill of old things. The riots, the screams, riots, the roll on the ground and all the other disgusting things that accompanied the revival in Los Angeles and in other countries are to be compared to a childhood illness. Now those things are passed. The movement has run purified.”

answer:

The spirit of the time is not dead. Although these hideous events have declined, the spirit is always to. The devil has learned to behave better.

So today it is more difficult to recognize and inexperienced believers are easily deceived.

Second objection:

“Who speaks against the brothers in faith grieves the Holy Spirit.”

answer:

We do not talk at all against brothers in faith, but against evil spirit imitating God and to be unmasked.

Third objection:

“The Lord wants brotherly love. You do not have to create dissension and strife. It would sin against love.”

answer:

Parents who leave their children to play with grenades hurt. Their love is blind and wrong Love. And the elders of the church who do not experience inexperienced believers, young in faith, overconfident do well very badly. Their love is not spiritual, and they do not do their duty. Those who speak of the Gospel must also mention the error, the false doctrine, deceiver and the spirit of the devil disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). Who does it guilty (Apoc. 2:2,6,20; Isaiah 56:10-11).

Fourth objection:

“The Pentecostal brothers proved by the words of the spirits, and so they know whether they are from God or from the devil. If someone speaks ill of God he is inspired by the devil and the Pentecostals reject it.”

answer:

Try a spirit not just prove his words! Second 2 Cor. 11:14 Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Evil spirits are even able to praise the blood of Jesus. They are able to say well:

Be cautious! Be cautious! Do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:”!

They speak in this hypocritically, to deceive the believers. Let us remember that our Lord Jesus was tempted by the devil through a similar hypocrisy: The devil quoted the Scriptures to groped the Lord (Mat. 4:6).

Johannes Seitz, one of the signatories of the Berlin Declaration says that such an evil spirit, disguised as an angel of light, in a congregation he has publicly reproached the sins of the people. In another congregation Seitz said that an evil spirit: “Brothers, spirits came out in the world to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But even if they speak with angels languages ​​do not believe them! Do not believe anything but what God says in His Word…” It must be really scared when you consider how cunning these false spirits disguise themselves as angels of light to impose to believers.

fifth objection:

“One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is the discernment of spirits. This gift is among the Pentecostals and through it identifies the spirit.”

answer:

Someone thinks he has the gift of discernment. There is much evidence that it is not so. Just this is the cunning trickster spirit: he suggests to his victims who i v e r s of the Holy Spirit gifts, while it is not true (see testimony of Helmut Helling – former Pentecostal pastor).

Sixth objection:

“These gifts (prophecies, languages, healing etc.) they are biblical. If you pray to God to give such a gift, the devil is left out and can not give a gift from him.”

answer:

Why not? Where is the evidence that Satan can not intervene if it please God?
Have you never read: “He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination!” (Proverbs 28:9). It's still: “The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD”. (Prov. 15:8). Yet: “Then call me, but I will not answer; I will seek me early, not find me.” (Prov. 1:28). They also read the words in Isaiah 1:12-17 and Amos 5:21-24.

Every believer, born again, He is asking the Lord for the baptism in the Holy Spirit, It is in contradiction with the Holy Scriptures. God can not answer such a prayer, because the baptism in the Holy Spirit was the case with the new birth. It is easy to see that, if you ask God for something that actually has already been given, They are introduced false spirits, especially if there is no true sanctification. God in such cases can not protect people careless and carnal. Read carefully 2 Cron. 18 e 2 Tess. 2:9-12.

Seventh objection:

“The brothers Pentecostal deceive themselves. All those events have the effect of auto.”

answer:

Maybe sometimes it is self-suggestion. But not always! Some Pentecostal brothers themselves have realized that they were possessed and sought help from non-Pentecostal brothers for deliverance from those gifts that had previously accepted such gifts of the Holy Spirit. Il Pastore Friemel, for example, after for some time the interpreter of the messages in languages, realized that his “gift of interpretation was not Biblical, but a satanic imitation. He struggled for so many years, until the Lord delivered him from the spirit deceiver, disguised as the Holy Spirit.

Unfortunately, today's believers often are not enough sanctified, and therefore do not have the spiritual authority that we want to expose and drive out evil spirits. These are hidden even in the bosom of the community. Until are not disturbed, They remain quiet or disguise themselves as angels of light as it happens between the Pentecostals. Where are the believers truly sanctified and purified, washed in the blood, who with faith and perseverance cry to God, so unmask the false spirits that behave as angels of light?

Eighth objection:

“If the Pentecostals are in spiritual danger we must approach them to our meetings.”

answer:

Those who allow themselves to be corrected yes, others do not! Here because:

  1. The spirit that dominates their movement is overbearing and would intrude even in our meetings.
  2. Their spirit and attracts many of our being very naive believers do not realize the danger. 3. This spirit, once he entered the community, it is very difficult to hunt. Almost always the consequence is some cleavage. Prevention is better than having to repress!

Ninth objection:

“In the bosom of the Pentecostal communities occur miraculous healings. It is therefore clear that God acts in their midst.”

answer:

140217_wn_osunsami_wg[1]You want to say that all healing is from God? This is not true. The devil imitates God in so many ways, Also healing the sick. per it. the sect “Christian Science” (Christian Science) occur miraculous healings, yet it is certain that the sect is not in communion with God. Many witches and wizards are able to free the sick from pain and diseases. But we are sure that these healings are not made by God.

And then: have not you ever studied the Scriptures regarding this issue? With their enchantments magicians in Egypt, they are that their sticks became snakes (Exodus 7:11-12), that water was turned into blood (Exodus 7:22) and that should go up frogs upon the land (Exodus 8:7).

The coming of the Antichrist will take place, after the working of Satan with all power works, and signs and lying wonders, and with all manner of deceit of unrighteousness (2 Tess. 2:9-12).

Simone in Samaria did so amaze people with his magic that he said:

“This man is that power of God which is called the Great.” (proceedings 8:9-11).

As then, people believed that the works of Simon Magus came from God and how people will believe in the future that the Antichrist will make his signs and wonders, in the power of God, so today believe that healing will always do it with the help of God. But Scripture tells us: “Try the spirits (Also healing spirits!), whether they are from God!”

To understand how cunning the devil can deceive people Read carefully Matteo 7:22:

“Many will say to me (said the Lord Jesus) in that day: lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?, and in thy name have cast out devils?, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will they: I never knew you:; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

This word clearly shows that some people think of acting in “name of Jesus,” while he does not intervene. They imagine to be in communion with Jesus, to heal the sick in HIS strength and to cast out demons in HIS name, but they are deceived. And as these people are deceived, They are deceived even those that are made from them to help.

We believe: Satan imitates God and is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore, neither miracles, or signs, nor healings, or speaking in tongues, or any other extraordinary event can in itself prove that God is the one who intervenes. But we believe that the Lord, If believers are praying heart and with perseverance, will answer their prayer and force the evil spirit to manifest its true nature.

Conclusions

If the devil was unable to put the believers to apostasy, tries to bring intemperance. Woe to us if we allow ourselves to be deceived by his cunning. So we want to watch and engage our senses (Apr.. 5,14) to discern good from evil.

Here are some Bible verses that we want to warn and help to discern the lie from the truth:

  1. 2 Cor.11:14: Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
  2. 1 Thurs.. 4:1: Try the spirits whether they are of God.
  3. Mat. 7:22: Many will say to Me in that day: lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?, and in thy name have cast out devils?, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will they: I never knew you:, depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
  4. 2 Tess. 2:9-12: The coming of the lawless one will be, after the working of Satan, with all manner of deceit of unrighteousness to the detriment of those who are perishing, because they received not the love of the truth to be saved. And therefore God sends them a working of error that they should believe a lie:; so that all those who believed not the truth, but they had pleasure in unrighteousness, they are judged.
  5. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4: But I fear that as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds should be corrupted and led astray from the simplicity and purity that is in Christ. Indeed, if someone comes to predicarci another Jesus, different from what we preached, or whether it is to receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you nice bear!
  6. 1 Re 22:20-23: The LORD said: – Who will entice Ahab, so go up to Ramoth Gilead and perish? – And one said one way and the other in another. Then a spirit came forward, who stood before the LORD and said,: – I will entice him. – The Lord said: – And how? – He answered: – I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. – The Lord said: – And, You manage to seduce him; go out, and makes’ so.- (Note: This chapter is very important with respect to our theme. Ahab believed the spirit of lies that were entered 400 (!) prophets.)
  7. This. 14:9: If the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD, AM THAT I will have deceived that prophet.
  8. 2 Sam. 24:1.10: Now the LORD was kindled again with anger against Israel, and he incited David against them … And after David had made the people to, He smote the heart.

compare 1 Cron. 21,1: Satan stood up against Israel, and he provoked David to number Israel …

God used Satan to incite David to take a census.

Who meditates these words of Sacred Scripture can understand that believers must always watch. In our day, Satan often walks about like a roaring lion, but is presented as an angel of light, with prophecies, with the gift of languages, with healing, with miracles, but its purpose is always to: “He looks for someone to devour” (1 Pietro 5:8).

We also believe in the gifts of the Spirit (1. Cor. 12 e 14), but we reject each i m i t a t i o n and such gifts. The experience forces us to say: Many brothers have accepted with great lightness of some “owner” without experiencing the spirit from which it came, and were deceived.

An example is the “gift of languages” which still it is by many regarded as proof that you have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was told that in a Pentecostal family a girl 12 years, as the first family member, He began to speak “in languages”. Those present welcomed the “baptized in the Spirit”, but no one has tried the spirit. Yet the child disobeys his mother and tells lies! It would not be so difficult to conclude that the gift is not from God, as the Scripture says: “Sons, obey your parents in the Lord! God gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey Him” (Ephesus. 6:1; proceedings 5:32). What about the lies we read: ” Tell the truth to each other. Liars will not enter the Kingdom of God ” (Ephesus. 4:25; Apoc. 21:8). No one tell me that the child has received his gift of languages ​​from God. And no one tell me that this example constitutes an exception and generally the spirits are immediately tested.

Here's some evidence that Satan gives the gift of languages

  1. The Shinto priests (So pagans), in Japan, speak “in languages” when in ecstasy (trance).
  2. The Buddhist priests speak well “in languages” When I “enraptured by the spirit”.
  3. I negri Bantu in Africa (pagani) practice “speaking in tongues”.
  4. The Brazilian spiritualist medium Mirabelli in the trance state spoke 25 who knew several languages.
  5. In the second century of the Christian era “Montanisti” spoke “in languages”. These “Christians” sectarians believe in a prophecy, according to which they had to be abducted in Phrygia. They gathered there for the day predicted, all in white robes, ready for kidnapping. But this did not take place.
  6. San Francesco Saverio, one of the first Jesuit missionaries, He practiced the gift of languages!
  7. Mormons, they are a sect, practicing the gift of languages.
  8. The gift of languages ​​is also manifested among Catholics.

These cases clearly prove that the devil imitates God. Therefore, we recommend to all:

“Try the spirits, whether they are from God! Do not believe every spirit!” (1 Thurs.. 4:1).

On the other hand the apostolo Paolo says about the believers: “We all have been baptized by one spirit (1 Cor. 12:13); but not everyone has the gift of languages” (1 Cor. 12:10.30).

In The Evangelical the 1972/73 on page 89 the “Assemblies of God” declare: “The Italian movement is related to the great awakening of Los Angeles 1906”. We can not consider a move to Los Angeles “great awakening”, but we must consider it as a work spiritualistic. And although the hideous events of that time today fell, the spirit of the time is always. Even if they convert people we can not change our conviction. Johannes Seitz said that “everyday people were converted”, but the spirit which operates when Jesus cursed because of persevering prayer was forced to make known its true nature.

Paul rebuked the Corinthians because they were ready to receive another spirit.

And if the brothers demonstrate a new pipeline? We can then accept their spirit? No! Even the followers of certain sects demonstrate a change of conduct, by it. Jehovah's Witnesses and other. They say also to have found peace. But we know that is not true peace, not the one that comes from the blood of Jesus (Col. 1,20).

He was right Elias Schrenk, the great promoter of evangelization in Germany, who he said of the Pentecostal Movement:

“I am convinced that a movement, in which many lies have occurred, It can not be purified”.

The “Baptism in the Spirit” It is transmitted between the Pentecostals through the take by the hand or by the imposition of hands. We must warn all believers who do not ever lay hands from Pentecostals. An acquaintance of mine came from a Pentecostal laying hands, because he was sick. The Pentecostal, during that action, repeated continuously and at high speed the name of Jesus: “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus …!” What was a consequence of the imposition hands? When my acquaintance would later pray, They were often the thoughts of blasphemy.

A simpleton might think it is good to always repeat the name of Jesus, but the simple believer remembers that it was written:

“Do not take the name of God in vain!”

It's still:

“And when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do:!”

During the interview with the wife of a Pentecostal pastor I said: “We need the gift of discernment of spirits”. Immediately he answered: “My husband has it!” We will not leave you impressed by such words! Many think he had that gift without having! Of course it is not difficult to discern the spirits whether they are manifested by tremors, by rolling on the ground, with shouts, with stammering etc.. But if those evil spirits imitate Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Father himself, it changes appearance and becomes more difficult. Spirits are able to say: “I, the Sir, I'm with you. Be cautious, be careful! Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits!” It was with such hypocrisy the devil deceives souls and instead to try it trust on him. Oh, you who do not believe that there may be such deceptions, do not be children in knowledge, but wake up and be sober, so that our opponent is always exposed more! The day is near, the night is, We do not sleep, us wake up!!

TIPS TO PREVENT THE EVIL SPIRITS, TRANSVESTITES FROM ANGELS OF LIGHT, GET INTO IN OUR COMMUNITIES’

  1. We compare every doctrine with Holy Scripture. If we notice the slightest contradiction with the Holy Scriptures, rigettiamola (by it. Pentecostal doctrine concerning baptism of the Holy Spirit).
  2. We insist in our preaching that God wants to speak to us through His written Word. We do not need dreams, visions, appearances, internal voices, prophecies …….
  3. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge. visions, the internal voices and the (false) gifts of the Spirit leads believers to a false communion with God. We teach therefore the fear of God and the sanctification v e r: “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Awake to righteousness, and sin not life” (in. 2:12; 1. Cor. 15:34).
  4. We reject all sentimentality in our meetings, because this would open the door to false religious spirits.
  5. We are sober and do not let strange and exciting experiences. Happiness, that some experience when they speak languages, It corresponds to a spiritual drunkenness that is not from God. The feeling of peace and happiness does not prove that God acted.
  6. We have the courage to speak openly of the danger that threatens our meetings today: The lack of sobriety. We must warn the younger brothers and inexperienced.
  7. We speak well of the ugly consequences of magic. Lead, to disbelief, He has been dealing with witchcraft, na, the evil eye superstition and not always at the hour of the new birth is freed from all the bad consequences of those sins abominable. These people are prone to be victims of deceiving spirits. Many times even the children are under such evil influences, because of the sins of ancestors (Exodus 20:5). It can be freed yes, but many times it takes spiritual struggles. (Compare “Berlin Declaration”, last part!).
  8. We show those who believe that the trickster spirit invades, first of all, people who are not separated by t u t t sins and seeking “baptism of the Holy Spirit” with a heart full of pride.
  9. God can not bless the search “baptism of the Spirit”, because every true believer, every person born again, He has already received the baptism of the Spirit, at the time of conversion.
  10. We all sense that you should never let lay hands from Pentecostals. The danger of being influenced in a diabolical strength is great.
  11. Let us realize that the prophecy in Joel 2:28-32 It was accomplished at Pentecost (proceedings 2:16-18) and that we should not expect another fulfillment of that prophecy. In Israel however it will be given another outpouring of the Holy Spirit when you convert to the Lord (That is 3:4-5; Zac. 8 – 14; Isaiah 61:6: Rom. 11: 25-27).

THE DUTY OF THE CHURCH OF ELDERLY

The spirit of the language has penetrated various evangelical denominations and Catholic circles. The walls among Christians and nominal Christians are cleared.

How we will behave the elders of our churches?

They will leave fooled by deceptive spirit disguised as an angel of light? Then they will not do their homework. Recall Malachi 2:7: “The lips of the priest shall keep knowledge, and from his mouth seek the law, for it is the messenger of hosts. But you have gone astray …”

The elders will be silent for fear of criticism? Then you will see that they have not the spirit of the Apostle Paul who said,: “For am I now trying to conciliate the favor of men, namely that of God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I would not be a servant of God” (Gal. 1:10).

The elders will be silent for fear of grieving the Holy Spirit? Those who obey the Holy Scripture must never be afraid to make the Holy Spirit sad. Now the Bible tells us: “Try the spirits whether they are of God”. So there is nothing to fear if we feel the spirit before allowing them to enter into our communities!

The elders warn the flock of which are responsible? Then the Lord will bless them and will use them to save the souls of. For them it will be worth the words we read in Mat. 24:45-47: “What ever the faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them their food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, coming, find so doing! I tell you the truth that will set him over all his possessions.

The infidels will be hit elderly instead of words similar to those that we read in Isaiah 56:10: “His watchmen are all blind, without intelligence; are all dumb dogs, can not bark; dream, they are lying, amano sonnecchiare”.

We do not judge the members of the Pentecostal Movement, but it is our task to unmask the spirit deceiver and warn all believers to pay attention to the cunning of the serpent of old. Today there is much talk of love, union, brotherhood, of communion among believers. They are good and right, but do not forget: Who proclaims the truth of the Gospel must also mention the error, of false doctrine and spirit of the deceiver.

The Bible warns us of false Christs, false prophets, false apostles, false brothers, they preach a different Jesus, a different spirit, a different gospel, teaching perverse things, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils and distracting their ears from the truth. Scripture repeatedly tells us to turn away from those who pose a danger to our spiritual life (Rom. 16:17; Tit. 3:10; 2 Cor. 6:14 – 16).

Jesus praises the angel of the church of Ephesus in the following words:

“I … I know that you can not tolerate wicked men, and have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and you found them false (Apoc. 2:2).”

Jesus rebukes the Angel of Pergamum and to Thyatira: “You have those who … the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. Repent (Apoc. 2:15)! You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce my servants (Apoc. 2:20)”.

The spirits seek to enter in people to make their instruments. Therefore in 1 Thurs.. 4:1 read of spirits and soon after the false prophets:

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:; because many false prophets are gone out into the world”.

Brothers in the Lord, in Jews 13:7 is written: “Your watch conductors for your souls, as they that must give account”. We feel, therefore, the souls we have to feed, so with joy and conviction we can say with the Apostle Paul: “I testify against you today that are pure from the blood of all; for I did not shrink from declaring unto you the whole counsel of God” (proceedings 20:26).

This. 3:17: “Son of man, I have set thee a watchman for the house of Israel … I will require his blood at your hand”.

proceedings 20:28: “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you vers. 25 to shepherd the church of God … I (Paolo) I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, not sparing the flock … Therefore watch!”

1 Tim. 4:16: “Take heed to yourself and to the teaching”.

1 Tim. 4:1-2: “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils;”.

1 Pietro 1:13: “therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, hope fully on the grace that is to be brought at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

 

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  1. Sandro dice

    Thank you for this blog, it is very useful! 🙂

    The rest, my brothers, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the whole armor of God in order to remain standing and to stand against the wiles of the devil, 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, so able to withstand in the evil day and remain upright standing after having done everything. 14 Stand therefore,, having the loins the belt of truth, put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the readiness of the gospel of peace, 16 above all, taking the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the maligno.17 take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which it is the word of God, 18 and pray always with all manner of prayer and supplication in the Spirit, watching thereunto with all perseverance and prayer for all the saints, 19 and also for me, that, when I open my mouth, I have given to speak frankly to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains, so I can preach with boldness, as it is my duty to do. (Ephesians 6:10-20)

    “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:; because many false prophets are gone out into mondo.Da know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ come in the flesh, It is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus, It is not of God, and that is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and it is now already in the world.” (1Giovanni 4:1-3)

    1. Roberto sketch dice

      so if someone says he has a gift of the Holy Spirit, I do not believe it? Jesus really meant ke would no longer expressed? or you can also manifest itself in different ways with respect to the Pentecostals? I so far I have attended a Pentecostal church, I should leave? a question: when Jesus died, if he intended to ke she would no longer manifested as did the apostles to do miracles after Christ's death?

      1. ChristianFaith dice

        Jesus would not have spoken in that it would not give signs. To believe in signs is behaving like Catholics who believe in new prophecies. But despite claims to not give signs He continues to work miracles behind prayer, He is always present, it is in our lives, speaks to our hearts. This is the faith and the reward for this faith “that does not need proof” is salvation. And as the apostolo Paolo said, “Love never fails, prophecy and tongues will cease” but love will always cleave to Christ until His return. So do not think that I am now saying that Jesus is not present, it is, very well, but not in the way they believe the Pentecostals, as in the way we believe Catholics, between appearances and new revelations. there is nothing more to know, that we needed to know we were concluded with the apostolo Paolo who is said “Once I saw as a child” using the example of children who do not understand small but then they will understand by large, but when the perfect is come (that is, when he received all the prophecies and messages from God, that is, those that he was preaching to the crowds) He would have seen and understood everything (the message of salvation). And the canon has since closed. The apostles did wonders why God had to choose them and to give those powers. The powers are not inherited by succession as does the pope, meaning that if God has entrusted a task to the Apostles, it is not said that then has entrusted them also to other, He spoke to the Apostles, and this is the Bible, we can not therefore believe that there is this succession. Even Pentecostals, as Catholics, They believe in new revelation and the apostles there are still, but this is wrong.
        If you have to leave or not the Pentecostals do not have to ask me, are your decisions, I strongly urge you to learn more by reading and rereading the Scriptures dissenting opinions in the steps where they want, out of context, bring up different things. And do not believe everything they say pastors, are men and wrong, not see them as vicars of Christ, as do Catholics who see the Pope the representative of Christ on earth!

      2. Roberto sketch dice

        thanks for the clarification =) still quiet, I do not trust men very, I rely only on the bible 😉

      3. Roberto sketch dice

        I have a question: in the Declaration of Berlin he says that anyone who is born again has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, xò in the Bible many people who were born again and had been baptized in water, They received as a result of the baptism in the Holy Spirit when the apostles had laid his hands, and then they spoke in tongues…

      4. ChristianFaith dice

        Oh I have already answered these questions! :((( Why do not you read the site?

      5. Roberto sketch dice

        sorry if I try xD annoys sl truth…cmq where I can find these answers in the site? =)

  2. Alessio Rando dice

    Dear ChristianFaith I would like to ask you some questions:
    1. what does it mean “try the spirits”?
    2. how can I test the spirits?
    3. how can I expose the evil spirits that are disguised as “angel of light”?
    4. I few months ago at a Pentecostal congregation are “He fell to the ground” and I felt a strange sensation. This experience was the devil or was the result of emotion?

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      It means putting in comparison what causes that Spirit or whatever it says examining the Scriptures. You may say that the chaos and noise that you see in ciese Pentecostal is from God? You know that many times, as they spoke in tongues, and some have interpreted, They were actually blaspheming the Holy Spirit?? Do not mess with these things occult and the paranormal. E’ the same thing the Marian apparitions. These are not the signs that God sends, unfortunately the man bisongo tests, always visible evidence search and Satan makes us a hand! God works in our hearts, does not show, but it gives us peace!
      What has happened to the meeting can be both, so I can not tell you exactly. But this should only make you turn away from them. The Holy Spirit does not bang to earth people, does not wiggle and cry!! It is not written anywhere in the Bible such an incident! If you want to watch videos on youtube by typing “pentecostals gifts”: They will come out a series of videos that show what happens in their churches is not of God.
      As the questions in the section faqs, I got them. Be patient that will answer thee!

      1. Alessio Rando dice

        You are always very enlightening ChristianFaith. E’ True, the Bible says that GOD IS NOT’ A GOD OF CONFUSION, BUT PEACE and what happens in Pentecostal and cults’ CONFUSION ONLY.

      2. Alessio Rando dice

        What signs God sends today?

      3. ChristianFaith dice

        He speaks to our hearts, He makes a gift of faith… a great sign of this can not exist!

      4. Alessio Rando dice

        Good

  3. Alessio Rando dice

    How ChristianFaith, you could give me some advice on how to leave the Pentecostals emi Can you recommend a’ other evangelical confession that between aggregarmi: Luterani, Battisti, Salvation Army, Presbiteriani, brothers Churches and the Apostolic Assembly?

    P.S: I live in Piossasco in the province of Turin in Turin and there are only those names that are not Pentecostal.

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      Absolutely Presbyterians!!! They reformed, same thing! You have the good fortune to have them close, not everyone has! For as you let them do nothing, just do not go there anymore, and if you seek you say that you're not comfortable, It will force you, even if you say you're going adrift going into other denominations, that only they practice the gifts of the spirit etc.… m not be influenced. You'll see the difference immediately of worship and approach to believers with the Presbyterians.
      PS: apostolic are another Pentecostal denomination.

      1. Alessio Rando dice

        God bless ChristianFaith, Many thanks.
        Last night I read ALL the steps regarding the gift of tongues, and I saw that not everyone had the gift of tongues in the early church. Paul also says that GOD IS NOT’ A GOD OF CONFUSION, BUT PEACE and what goes on between Pentecostals and’ ONLY CONFUSION AND HYSTERIA!!!

      2. ChristianFaith dice

        Thank goodness you understand! Always remember that Jesus, before leaving and leave the apostles, before going to the Father, He told them ” I will not talk with you much, for the prince of this world”. Giovanni 14:30. He then said he would no longer be expressed and added that it was the prince of this world: This means that all visible signs that we see today are not from God, both these alleged apparitions that tongues or prophecy (if God said he would have from no more talking until his return, how do you believe these alleged new prophets? pentecostali,m Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses???). There are more prophecies, nor signs, But Jesus left us the Comforter Spirit who speaks to our hearts and guides us, so we are not alone. The signs you see are from the Prince of this world and stiamone away!

      3. Alessio Rando dice

        I thought that John 14:30 He was referring to the death of Jesus

  4. Roberto sketch dice

    “'In the last days, He says, I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. In those days I will pour out my Spirit on my servants and on My maidservants, and prophesy… (see Acts of the Apostles 2:17-21). and then another thing, matthew chapter in the Gospel 12 from verse 25 al 28 nn says that one can drive out demons except by the Holy Spirit help…so if a Pentecostal manages to chase away demons cm can be an evil spirit to operate in him?

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      If you read carefully, This is an Old Testament prophecy (the prophet Joel) that came true was during Pentecost with that incident of speaking in tongues, just to show that the prophecies of God came true. But it's over there. The prophecies are not fulfilled for life, but once, as we would never think that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, prophesied in the Old Testament, It occurred several times in the NT and is true today. From that time to no time they spoke in tongues and prophesied, but then, Paul says, the “prophecies will end when the perfect is come”. What is this perfection? What are you talking? He is speaking of God's Word that was prophesied at that time. From the moment he ceased to bring the message of God to the people, perfection would take place. And shortly thereafter it took the Bible's message was complete.
      E’ vero, They will chase away the demons with the Holy Spirit, but the episodes of demonic possession are very rare in history. Those that occur in the Pentecostal churches are only psychological fixations. They put you in mind as soon as you walk in that church, Satan takes possession of you, always speak of the devil and come to you to fix. Two out of three Pentecostal, They believe they were prey to the devil, seeing it or being persecuted by him. False. Satan is very clever, much smarter than what you think, and it does not show for what it is, but for what is not, so you will find very often in churches pseudocristiane, under “good habits”, ready to turn people away from God and His Word salla.

      1. Roberto sketch dice

        so if I understand the gifts have ceased, and those things that we see today: prophecies and healings, speaking in tongues are the result of the devil? as far as the baptism in the Holy Spirit there is no more need ke saw the gifts have ceased? then we would have only the fruits of the spirit cm love gentleness faith…right?

      2. ChristianFaith dice

        I do not know what it is or is not the devil, but I think the fact that the gifts have ceased. The healings believe, but not those for imposition of hands you see in Pentecostal churches, but those made by God behind intercessory prayer. Speaking the language is not what typically Pentecostal, also it happens to charismatic Catholic, Buddhists, to African religion, in witchcraft, etc, then speaking in tongues is no sign of being right, rather, I feel so much pià something satanic chaos and deception. What is certain is that faith and love last forever, and healings God continues to make them even today.

      3. ChristianFaith dice

        You were you who asked the question in the faqs section of Marco 16:17 that the Pentecostals they use to defend their doctrine? Is sei tu or not, I'm still preparing an article on the.

      4. zuvie dice

        It prophecies come true once, But that prophecy does not say specifically un'avvenimento, but says will happen in the last days, says one day, the prophecy and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit but still continues to this day in fact, Peter says to those who criticized speaking in tongues, what you see, referring speaking in tongues no to the Holy Spirit who could not see it. and adds that the promise and for all and for all who shall call and if you let us in recent times. paul in 1 Corinthian says that the prophecies will end when perfection, but perfection is not the biblical canon but Jesus, also because Paolo speaks in the first person so he tells us, We know in part, prophesy in part, and gives the example that we see through a mirror in the dark so we will see face to face, Bible was look at his face-to-face, You believe that expression is to use, in addition you who know well the Bible, You believe you have more knowledge of paul who says he received the gospel directly from God and that it was up to the third heaven and who also heralds apocalypse parties.-

      5. ChristianFaith dice

        So honey Giuseppe, only approve of this review among others 4 you have left on this article and continue to leave for days now. Do not you realize that you always say the same things? And I'm sick of answer? Do not you understand that this is a reformed site, the answers you were given, but you continue to argue? What are you doing? because you quickly targeted this site? What do you expect? For you I tell untruths, for you I do not have the ability to interpret Scripture because I would not have the baptism of the SS and not roll me to the ground and not fall into a trance. OK! There you have you, believe me this is still wiggling on the ground, for my part i will continue to praise the Lord and to “pray in the silence of my room” (matteo 6:6). From what I understand these behaviors are not present in Scripture, no disciple and believer in biblical times has never fallen to the ground squirming like crazy. The Holy Spirit does not fall people on the ground as if they were crazy and drugged, rather, this thing to lose the reason is typical malignant dle. God is a God of peace, tranquility, order, It not what happens in your pseudo churches. The fruits of the Spirit are love, la gentle;, the patience, the SELF!!!!! (galati 5:22)not that that accesses in your churches. What else do I have to add? You say it's my insecurity, my losing control, but I'm not losing control, I HAVE ONLY THE POCKETS FULL OF YOUR COMMENTS REPETITIVE; from what I understand it is you who are attacking me for some time now, and also comments that I have published are offensive to my person, my intelligence and my faith. You are convinced that only the Pentecostal save, since you've said that I, not being Pentecostal, I do not have the ability to interpret the writing, when in fact ALL BELIEVERS IN JESUS’ CHRIST, They have the ability to understand Scripture. as the, all believers have the Holy Spirit, and I'm no exception. You will Pentecostal ergete to gudici and only holders to speak the truth and make me worth, because you are a victim of a sectarian system, all’estero, the negative influence it has on the psyche of people, It is counted among the seven (vedi culthelp.info o ex-pentecostals.org, Site managed by people who have left the charismatic movement). It is not just a matter of wrong doctrines, but its negative influences that this movement has on life and on people's psyche. Spiritual abuse is called! Other than TDG! YouTube is full of videos shot in Pentecostal churches, They make you laugh and cry at the same time: People believe that when the pastor says “here comes the Holy Spirit” all falls to the ground and squirms as if he had seizures. Things of this world! And he will tell you (you who say, “I not cast out demons in your name, and prophesied”: “go away from me evildoers, I never knew you:!” (Matteo 77:21-23)

        So I close here. I remind everyone that this is a reformed site, remember to read the site's confession. Who does not agree and wants to debate, it really wrong to the great, Please do not continue, knows where the door.

  5. Roberto sketch dice

    ah excuse me nn I read the post above if you had told me xD nn I loaded the page fine xD

  6. giuseppe diliberto dice

    I'm sorry but your answer is not exhaustive and does not stand peter speaks clearly and says that ended with the apostles and ra one thing that soon ended but :
    38 Peter them: "Repent, every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 Because to you is the promise, for your children, and for all those who are far away, as many as the Lord, our God, He shall call '.
    You're doing a lot of confusion with the scripture, and you're using the same way of Jehovah's Witnesses. Perhaps you've seen his face to God that you believe you have reached perfection, the scriptures you can not just sue paragraphs but in the whole context. I urge everyone to read the entire letter to the Corinthians, or at least all the verse 13 e 14 and everything will be more clear! continues to cause 14 to urge to seek spiritual gifts if you would end soon and why gave istrozioni about. Short-Paul would die and the other apostles.-
    I know well the Pentecostals and I can also say that I among them c ome in each faith there are some excited people making competing to see who has more gifts, more or less as it seems that the Corinthians acccadesse, but this is not the spirit of the community’ tantisimi making lots of fasting and prayer and seek veraamente to serve with love Jesus'. and the spirits will sift and experience these exalted vannoda then they just disappear and movement sometimes creating other churches with strange names but unfortunately like all the churches that you will go. One must be cautious and consider the spirits and there assicuroche in serious movements that happens I happened to people who are forbidden to speak in tongues or prophesying because considered heretics. I urge anyone to not look for a religious movement or a new belief, but the look inside themselves Jesus’ as a personal Savior, the temple of the Holy Spirit and inside us.
    In doing so dear ChristianFaith act like the Pharisees who were attacked and so convinced of scrutture the right one and that was their interpretation that when they did not recognize Jesus venutoi. How can you say that everything that happens within the Pentecostal movement comes from Satan? Perhaps Satan crushes Satan, how do you judge a whole movement if you do not know and do not know anything about them, and how can you say that cases of mass hysteria you heard the testimonies of former possessed. many Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses all worship or just people who came by chance in a prayer tent have shown signs of possession, and were released and later testified jesus.
    in addition this is my guess, Pentecost when the people that they might say that they were of sweet wine drunk, they would not have said if you simply all presnti they spoke in other languages ​​because I see nothing drunken one who speaks in another language even then there were the interpreters and not called them drunk, probably they had some attitude a little different than the norm think of something that would make drunk.
    I apologize for my writing but I have a very small keyboard.
    And I hope that all believers of all faiths seek the truth in writing not their ideology or preconceived thought.-

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      What my answer? This is the Berlin Declaration!!!
      Peter speaks of the gift of tongues, Yup, but what do you mean by that?? You believe and receive the Holy Spirit. Already! Whatever the believer receives the Holy Spirit. Each of us has it within himself, but this does not mean doing bla bla, I'm so sorry!
      Then you Pentecostal, tell me reformed, I take verses out of context to the case and I say what I want? You're giving the ignorant to Calvin, Luther, Edwards, Spurgeon, Pink, Knox, etc. etc?? Great scholars and scholars of the Bible? Or perhaps ignorant are born Pentecostals at Azusa Street in near 1900??? One thing then is really thinking is that among Pentecostals CPAI there is no exponent scholar and cultural, I wonder why! Their leaders founders were at the same level of Charles Taze Russell the founder of TDG. I'm sorry but these things are important are not stupid. Who invented the doctrines? Before these things did not happen, we had to wait for the Pentecostals 1900 for these alleged gifts of tongues, earlier than had them, poor people did not have the Holy Spirit. You are you who feel superior because they believe “who does not receive the holy spirit (in the absurd way that you say) not be saved”. To you I say not only re-read the passage in Corinthians, but the entire New Testament, before stating that you affirm!
      The bedeviled do not text, There are also possessed by demons exorcised by Catholic priests, and what about? We have to give account to former Catholics who become possessed? Am I right then in Catholicism??? But please! How do you see Satan deceives even you with himself! Apart from that, those individual and rare cases of possessed, you see them all over the possessed, all who enter in your church are possessed, but then thanks to your shepherd who lays his hands and screams, the demon out! everyone has had to deal with the devil, They feel threatened by him, always speak of the devil, but please!!! This is not from God! And I'm so sorry, not to say that I do not know the Pentecostals, you who the hell do you know about people I know or do not know??

    2. acrio90 dice

      Hello Joseph. From regular reader of this blog I feel compelled to make a small intervention in this discussion. Certainly ChristianFaith does not have to be defended bisongo, (we can very well alone) but I care about you that does not like ChristianFaith tdg as you say in your comment:

      “…the scriptures you can not just sue paragraphs but in the whole context.”

      Rather, if I had read the various blog posts, you would have seen that often the explanations are provided on the basis of whole passages; Also she has written in many posts that the verses should always be understood and framed in their full context.

      Said this, I repeat, ChristianFaith does not need to be defended, but I think they are already too many comments (always on posts about tdg and Pentecostal) in which it materializes a continuous attack against her, even with terms and tones too bright and deliberately offensive.

      I understand that those who are “accused” by the above post may resent, However, this can not justify some comments.
      However I would like to clarify that this comment (which it is more like a small vent) It is not addressed personally to the user Giuseppe Diliberto, which it seemed to me one of the most educated, but to all those who have dispensed different kind of comments.

      P.S. Looking to tdg, Pentecostal and other. If you believe what is written in this blog heresies, you are not obliged to read mica. I were you I would do so:

      “Do not you treat yourself to them (ChristianFaith and blogs) but look and pass”.

      Greetings.

      1. ChristianFaith dice

        Thanks for the appreciation 🙂

  7. Milla dice

    in my life I met a lot of all, of various denominations. I am neither Catholic nor Jehovah's Witness. I come from an evangelical church called The Open Door, that is not cessazionista but where not even occur events that may raise doubts (I read what the book Evangelhos Paulo que jamais Pregaria,translated from Portuguese, since I am living in Brazil, gospels that Paul never preached). such as laughter, the lion's roar, flapping of arms, that occur in the movement which in Brazil is called empiricist. between Pentecostal serious these things do not happen. also it seems that today there is a doctrinal distinction between Pentecostal and neo-Pentecostal. not to mention the differences that exist between the churches of different nationalities while having the same denomination. just, just change my country to see things in their not dreamed. The open door, although not cessazionista, It does not have strange events inside. as far as I know, especially nowadays, whatever the name of a church, it is necessary to show caution because holiness is not always present in each participating. and as time passes will get worse, Jesus announced the worsening of the times, no improvement. They are not seen more as once the miracles in churches, but it is not due to cessazionismo. first, miracles are a gift and like all gifts, We accepted and you should not expect. God is not bound to anything in us, but it is through His infinite goodness that dá. Somewhere I read that the events that took place in the early church were also needed to help found the church that was being set up. in a city Jesus did not do many miracles because of unbelief of the people. a reason why nowadays can discerned in disbelief (I'm not accusing anyone, I'm just talking in general terms, we live in an era in which Europe, ancient center of Christianity, He is returning little by little to the ancient paganism, So what we expect in an era when the sin is not only tolerated, but unfortunately it is also praised?). another reason, I seem to see (I say I think because I find it right that more people experiencers tell me whether it is possible or not, People with much more Biblical knowledge of my), It is that St. Paul said''misero me if I followed Jesus only for the things of this terra'' and we must follow Him whatever the circumstances and the conditions in which we find ourselves. Jesus healed many of the blind, STORP, paralitici, etc. but not all healed. A Paul himself said''la My strength is manifested in your debolezza''. so what happens in the life of another is not said that even happen in our. We can not rely on the experience of others to predict our future, in these terms. God knows what is right for each of us. not sure there are no more healings, although they are not as numerous as then (as equally, as I said pima, not seen more conversions en masse in Europe and even in states Anglophones, rather). As the cessazionismo of spiritual gifts (languages, healings, etc.) then, contrasts with what I read on http://www.veritadellabibbia.net/2015/12/il-silenzio-delle-donne-1corinzi-14-34.html
    my community believes, without this disorder are visible or oddities (those who speak in tongues without others understand edifies himself, The entire community plays but who builds).
    lack of scholars in churches: in my experience this phenomenon l'ho visa well (if not more) in Pentecostal denominations also not. but it is apparently a phenomenon more than anything else related to nationality and not to the denomination. basically what I've seen happen is that most of the boys, if not most, in Latin countries and southern Europe are getting married at a very young age, so inevitably can not start if the university 20 years are already married and parents of children. but this nothing to do with the doctrine of a church, the Bible does not dá mass indications on what are personal choices, although in my personal opinion (but in fact it is just a personal opinion), I think it is necessary that more young people to study in our churches.
    the pefezione spoken of by Paul: are you really sure that Paul was referring to the millennial reign of Jesus? I'm studying l'escatologia at this time. a thorough study of it can give several answers. God bless you

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      Ciao, benarrivata! I agree on many things you say… however, I would like to tell you that we do not say that today God does not work more miracles. The cessazionisti, as you call them, at least as far as we reformed, They believe that the prophecies and the gifts of tongues have ceased and that concerned the early church, but healing, those made by God after prayer, and not those for imposition of the hands of alleged healers with a lot of “theater” following, still exist! The signs that God, But, no visible signs, languages ​​are not, prophecies and strange things, but cures without reasons (is called miracles) and personal communion with God: every believer believes in God because it has a spiritual connection with him and hear him, He believes because he has received the gift of faith, He is born again. Paul is right when he says that we should not trust the things of this world, just, the believer believes because “feels” God within himself. This is the faith. And since we humans are fallible and not SIAMOC APACI to discern spiritual things, we have the Scripture that our filter. We have to stick to Scripture and not on our feelings, that are the wrong times. E’ easy to fall victim to the enemy otherwise.

  8. Milla dice

    have a good week! in reality the term cessazionisti is not my invention, l'ho I found in the book I'm reading''Evangelhos Paulo que jamais pregaria'', translated, gospels that Paul never preached (I hope one day the book arrives in Italy, as well as many useful books that are published in Brazil). at this time I am reading manuals of doctrine concerning the prophecies. it is said that before believing in a prophecy to be done''la test of nove'', ie having riguado to conformity with the Bible. and prompting to God (the doctrine manual says that as God spoke to the prophet also will talk to the person concerned, but without the divine confirmation well there the possibility that the prophecy is false, as in the times of the Jews of the Old Testament, they had that time when the prophets prophesied a sea of ​​lies). In practice it is necessary to be able to distinguish, with God's help, of course. As the gift of tongues: The Open Door and I believe it well with them (course without practicing disorder phenomena such as rolling on the floor, etc.). Many Brazilian churches (It even thinks of various denominations such as Baptists Reformed) we also believe, including that of my husband and my in-laws, I've never seen exhibitions afraid to do. I think the perfect church does not exist, as the human being is not pefetto, consequently can be no perfect church. each of us can not even agree on every single point of interpretation with the orientation of the church membership, without necessarily that one or the other err (and who made no mistake in this world?). I am convinced! These can, EACH INDIVIDUAL with its point of view can relate to others respectfully, also he is defending his point of view. if you do not find an agreement, in my opinion, friends like before. each expresses his and then the other is to evaluate. and whatever the result, friends like before. perhaps a day soon disagreements between evangelical churches of various denominations will become a trap that Islamism, Hinduism, wicca and company get the better. with all this I would not defend an ecumenism which effectively forces them to deny the biblical truth to be loved by society, but realize that can take place''divide et impera'', as once it was said, right? one Curiosita: what is your name? nowadays there's something really infinite….

    1. ChristianFaith dice

      Yup, you are right, I agree, the views are different but not have to hate each other. Unfortunately this intolerant attitude towards others see it a lot in the new evangelical fundamentalist currents (pentecostali-assemblee die fratelli). As for me, I do not go to other people's sites to bring havoc or argue, I just write in my my points of view (I believe to be the biblical) and not force anyone to believe, so much so that when I read controversy here even I like to answer, but I do understand “If you do not like you know where the door!”. I'm tired of repeating the same things, which are largely written in the sezionid this site. This site has existed since 2015 and it is since then that I answer to the people. The short supply of patience after so many years so always encourage you to read the articles of the site and the various comments or do research in the sidebar to read what I have written in the past without sen tirmi forced to repeat the same things every time.
      As for my name, I do not see that because we are Protestant historians and see you do not belong to a denomination but we are the other great Christian current which developed alongside the Orthodox and Catholics. For me the names are those that were the historical Protestantism and are Adventists, pentecostali, Assemblies of God, apostolic, darbisti, brothers, Quakers, etc. etc. etc. that I do not finish more). From reformed (calvinisti) and Lutherans, They have developed a myriad of groups indipententi. This site is Calvinist mold in every way, ie reformed.

      1. Milla dice

        The descriptions are very poor choice indeed. if you go abroad then the same name can differ in doctrine. l'ho price printed visto 2 almost. i neopentecostali (from Italy more than anything you see on TV) differ from Pentecostals. in several cases the designations have been grouped together. the darbisti I had never heard of them, is the first time I read the term, despite having met many of all. and the trend seems to be that of the birth of further names… God bless you

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